On the trail up the hill through the woods to Barr Camp we go
Pikes Peak Manitou Springs, Colorado July 17, 2011 7 a.m.
Frequently Asked Questions
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Are headphones allowed?
Are headphones allowed?
Are there refunds or waiting lists?
As for a waiting listthere is none! Simply, we overbook the race and count on a certain % of No Shows to bring us back down to our desired numbers.
How did you arrive at the 3h30m cut-off?
First we established a different crew to set-up the awards ceremony. This allowed us to hold the awards ceremony 1/2 hour after the last official finisher instead of 1 hour. We feel 1/2 hour is the best we can do on this front because some time is still needed to compile the results and get them down to the park. We also believe that everyone should have the opportunity to be at the awards ceremony. Therefore we are not going to start the awards ceremony before the cut-off time like some races do. Indeed, some age-group award winners often finish towards the back of the pack.
Next we changed the cut-off from 4 hours to 3h30mins. Before we did this we looked at how many people this would affect. In all 13 people ran times between 3:30 and 4 hours that year. Half of them where within 5 minutes of 3:30 which we felt did not present much of an issue. Even so we contacted several of the 13 people and asked for their opinion of changing the cut-off to 3:30. Almost without exception they said, Go for it, I will just train harder. Several did just that and came back the following year and beat the new cut-off.
The net effect of these two steps was that the awards ceremony was moved up 1 hour to 11:00am. In 2001 only five people missed the new cut-off so we felt that the change was more than justified. Especially when the post-race surveys indicated that most were now happy with the start time of the awards ceremony.
Why dont you want us to park on Ruxton Avenue, its public?
Why cant I get a shirt if I dont race or I miss the cut-off?
Now some have argued that they paid for the shirt when they signed up for the race. Besides the fact that it is spelled out that the shirt is a finishers shirt this simply is not true! 100% of the race entry fee is donated to nonprofit and/or volunteer organizations. The shirts are paid for by our presenting sponsor not the runners. The only way to get one is by earning it! However, if you are an official finisher you can buy an extra shirt if there are any left over.
Why do you duplicate awards?
When we call someone up to the stage for getting 4th in their age-group you will know that they really got 4th and not 8th with 3 people getting skimmed from the overall and 1 more from the masters. Further, most of the people that this concerns state that they would be embarrassed to get an award only because someone who beat them got skimmed from their division. We believe that skimming overall and/or masters winners from age-group awards is age discrimination at best and penalizing success at worst.
Using the masters category as an example, if the award to the first runner 40 years old or older is $150 it does not make sense to give the $150 to the 2nd person 40 or over just because the 1st person 40 or over also got in the top 3. Indeed, if the 1st person 40 or over was 3rd overall it turns out they would end up getting LESS prize money than the 2nd person 40 or over! How can anyone claim that is right?
The key here is that we view each category as a separate competition and each can be won by anyone who qualifies for that category. Just like when you took several classes in school you were allowed to get an A in each of them. At the same time, the class valedictorian most likely got an A in all of them as well. Just imagine if you could not get an A in Math because you got an A in English or if the valedictorian was not allowed to get an A in a class because they were already the valedictorian. Silly isnt it? And yet there are some that want to deny an age-grouper an award just because they happen to also be in the overall awards.
At any rate, because we value our runners opinions it is their race after all we made this a survey question after the first race. The question and the results were as follows:
overall and masters winners still should
be eligible for age-group awards?
186 answered as follows:
Yes: 135 or 72.6%
No: 51 or 27.4%